# \*WARNING in gentiedmpc: no tied MP **URL:** \ **Category:** General Questions\ **Created:** [February 16, 2024, 1:59pm UTC](https://prepomax.discourse.group/t/warning-in-gentiedmpc-no-tied-mp/1519 "2024-02-16T13:59:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![busrasahh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/2bfe46/32.png) [@busrasahh](https://prepomax.discourse.group/u/busrasahh)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 1:59pm UTC](https://prepomax.discourse.group/t/warning-in-gentiedmpc-no-tied-mp/1519/1 "2024-02-16T13:59:24Z")
Hello, I am working on a project and I constantly receive warnings like this while doing analysis. Stress is also very high. There’s definitely a mistake somewhere. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/free1/uploads/prepomax/original/2X/d/dacdb964021bc5bab939cf1d55033733bcb7a364.png) ---
**Author:** ![busrasahh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/2bfe46/32.png) [@busrasahh](https://prepomax.discourse.group/u/busrasahh)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 2:00pm UTC](https://prepomax.discourse.group/t/warning-in-gentiedmpc-no-tied-mp/1519/2 "2024-02-16T14:00:03Z")
![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/free1/uploads/prepomax/original/2X/1/11a4ef8dd3405b42baa299c9cf617cb7225af261.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![FEAnalyst](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/prepomax.discourse.group/feanalyst/32/688_2.png) [@FEAnalyst](https://prepomax.discourse.group/u/FEAnalyst)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 2:06pm UTC](https://prepomax.discourse.group/t/warning-in-gentiedmpc-no-tied-mp/1519/3 "2024-02-16T14:06:37Z")
It means that some nodes couldn’t be connected with tie constraint, likely due to a significant mismatch in meshes on both sides. Try increasing the tolerance and make sure that adjustment is enabled. You could also try creating a compound part instead of connecting the regions with tie constraints if that’s ok for your workflow. ---
**Author:** ![busrasahh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/2bfe46/32.png) [@busrasahh](https://prepomax.discourse.group/u/busrasahh)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 2:14pm UTC](https://prepomax.discourse.group/t/warning-in-gentiedmpc-no-tied-mp/1519/4 "2024-02-16T14:14:47Z")
Unfortunately, the composite piece is not okay for my project. How much should I increase the tolerance? ---
**Author:** ![busrasahh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/2bfe46/32.png) [@busrasahh](https://prepomax.discourse.group/u/busrasahh)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 2:24pm UTC](https://prepomax.discourse.group/t/warning-in-gentiedmpc-no-tied-mp/1519/5 "2024-02-16T14:24:37Z")
Or what else can I do? Thanks a lot! ---
**Author:** ![FEAnalyst](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/prepomax.discourse.group/feanalyst/32/688_2.png) [@FEAnalyst](https://prepomax.discourse.group/u/FEAnalyst)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 2:37pm UTC](https://prepomax.discourse.group/t/warning-in-gentiedmpc-no-tied-mp/1519/6 "2024-02-16T14:37:51Z")
The tolerance setting should correspond to the largest orthogonal distance between the slave node and opposing master face that should still be connected plus some small distance as a reserve. Don’t forget about the adjustment. ---
**Author:** ![busrasahh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/2bfe46/32.png) [@busrasahh](https://prepomax.discourse.group/u/busrasahh)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 2:47pm UTC](https://prepomax.discourse.group/t/warning-in-gentiedmpc-no-tied-mp/1519/7 "2024-02-16T14:47:39Z")
Unfortunately I still get the same warning. What could be another solution? ---
**Author:** ![FEAnalyst](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/prepomax.discourse.group/feanalyst/32/688_2.png) [@FEAnalyst](https://prepomax.discourse.group/u/FEAnalyst)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 2:59pm UTC](https://prepomax.discourse.group/t/warning-in-gentiedmpc-no-tied-mp/1519/8 "2024-02-16T14:59:17Z")
Make sure that master surface is the one belonging to the part with coarser mesh. You should check where tie fails to connect the surfaces and possibly reduce the mismatch between the meshes. You could also replace the tie constraint with tied contact. ---
**Author:** ![busrasahh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/2bfe46/32.png) [@busrasahh](https://prepomax.discourse.group/u/busrasahh)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 7:01pm UTC](https://prepomax.discourse.group/t/warning-in-gentiedmpc-no-tied-mp/1519/9 "2024-02-16T19:01:20Z")
Could it be because of this warning that it has high stress values? ---
**Author:** ![FEAnalyst](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/prepomax.discourse.group/feanalyst/32/688_2.png) [@FEAnalyst](https://prepomax.discourse.group/u/FEAnalyst)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 7:29pm UTC](https://prepomax.discourse.group/t/warning-in-gentiedmpc-no-tied-mp/1519/10 "2024-02-16T19:29:53Z")
Tie constraints in general can give spurious stress concentrations in some cases. They should be avoided near the regions of interest (same with most types of constraints). Did you try with tied contact ? It may give better results in this case. And it may also matter if it’s 2D or 3D in CalculiX when it comes to tie constraint. ---
**Author:** ![busrasahh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/2bfe46/32.png) [@busrasahh](https://prepomax.discourse.group/u/busrasahh)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 7:45pm UTC](https://prepomax.discourse.group/t/warning-in-gentiedmpc-no-tied-mp/1519/11 "2024-02-16T19:45:29Z")
I tried it with tied contact and the result is the same. I tried everything you said and I still can’t figure out what the problem is. ---
**Author:** ![FEAnalyst](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/prepomax.discourse.group/feanalyst/32/688_2.png) [@FEAnalyst](https://prepomax.discourse.group/u/FEAnalyst)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 7:54pm UTC](https://prepomax.discourse.group/t/warning-in-gentiedmpc-no-tied-mp/1519/12 "2024-02-16T19:54:38Z")
With proper master/slave assignment ? What about mesh adjustment ? Can you share the .pmx file ? ---
**Author:** ![ANYS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/prepomax.discourse.group/anys/32/7737_2.png) [@ANYS](https://prepomax.discourse.group/u/ANYS)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 8:07pm UTC](https://prepomax.discourse.group/t/warning-in-gentiedmpc-no-tied-mp/1519/13 "2024-02-16T20:07:43Z")
Is it possible that two close nodes are merged? ---
**Author:** ![FEAnalyst](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/prepomax.discourse.group/feanalyst/32/688_2.png) [@FEAnalyst](https://prepomax.discourse.group/u/FEAnalyst)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 8:15pm UTC](https://prepomax.discourse.group/t/warning-in-gentiedmpc-no-tied-mp/1519/15 "2024-02-16T20:15:54Z")
You can upload it to some hosting website like WeTransfer, Google Drive or Dropbox and paste the link here. ---
**Author:** ![FEAnalyst](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/prepomax.discourse.group/feanalyst/32/688_2.png) [@FEAnalyst](https://prepomax.discourse.group/u/FEAnalyst)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 8:19pm UTC](https://prepomax.discourse.group/t/warning-in-gentiedmpc-no-tied-mp/1519/17 "2024-02-16T20:19:17Z")
You have to set access to “Anyone with the link” before copying the link and pasting it here. ---
**Author:** ![ANYS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/prepomax.discourse.group/anys/32/7737_2.png) [@ANYS](https://prepomax.discourse.group/u/ANYS)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 8:37pm UTC](https://prepomax.discourse.group/t/warning-in-gentiedmpc-no-tied-mp/1519/18 "2024-02-16T20:37:10Z")
Try a frequency analisys. You will find the problem instantly. ---
**Author:** ![FEAnalyst](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/prepomax.discourse.group/feanalyst/32/688_2.png) [@FEAnalyst](https://prepomax.discourse.group/u/FEAnalyst)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 8:42pm UTC](https://prepomax.discourse.group/t/warning-in-gentiedmpc-no-tied-mp/1519/19 "2024-02-16T20:42:28Z")
Your geometry is much more complex than I expected based on the screenshot. It looked like 2D. Anyway, the first tip is that it would be better to use hex or hex-dominated meshes. Most parts are simple enough for that and they are very thin so even shells (with some additional solids if needed) could be the way to go. When it comes to connections, it seems that there are only tie constraints and contact pairs applied to the same surfaces. That’s how you tried to model tied contact ? It should be done by suppressing tie constraints and using only contact pairs with proper interaction (surface behavior type set to Tied). Also, there are no connections between the long sides of the 3 parts. Should they be connected only by the 4 C beams underneath ? ---
**Author:** ![busrasahh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/2bfe46/32.png) [@busrasahh](https://prepomax.discourse.group/u/busrasahh)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 9:04pm UTC](https://prepomax.discourse.group/t/warning-in-gentiedmpc-no-tied-mp/1519/20 "2024-02-16T21:04:59Z")
Yes, there is no connection between the long edges of the 3 pieces. It should be like this. ---
**Author:** ![busrasahh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/2bfe46/32.png) [@busrasahh](https://prepomax.discourse.group/u/busrasahh)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 9:25pm UTC](https://prepomax.discourse.group/t/warning-in-gentiedmpc-no-tied-mp/1519/21 "2024-02-16T21:25:06Z")
How can I use hex or hex-dominated meshes? ---
**Author:** ![FEAnalyst](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/prepomax.discourse.group/feanalyst/32/688_2.png) [@FEAnalyst](https://prepomax.discourse.group/u/FEAnalyst)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 9:37pm UTC](https://prepomax.discourse.group/t/warning-in-gentiedmpc-no-tied-mp/1519/22 "2024-02-16T21:37:30Z")
There’s a series of YouTube tutorials about that. This one is about extruded meshes that could be used here if the parts were divided into more segments: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TX-YtD7VOmc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TX-YtD7VOmc) But this would make it necessary to add even more connections so maybe let’s just focus on fixing the issues with existing ones first. Or try using transfinite mesh for properly partitioned (divided into basic volumes) parts: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veFObRL8cQY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veFObRL8cQY) [Next page](https://prepomax.discourse.group/t/warning-in-gentiedmpc-no-tied-mp/1519.md?page=2)